Hi all,
A new (nice) paper for us. Diego agreed to collect the comments.
Cheers,
Patrick
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Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2013-025,
Measurement of the differential branching fraction for the decay
$\Lambda^0_b\to\Lambda\mu^+\mu^-$
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:40:16 +0200
From: Rolf Oldeman <rudolf.oldeman(a)cern.ch>
To: lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list) <lhcb-general(a)cern.ch>
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
(note that both this draft and PAPER-2013-026 circulated yesterday have
slightly reduced review periods of 9 and 10 days respectively,
to stay in time for FPCP)
Title :
Measurement of the differential branching fraction for the decay
$\Lambda^0_b\to\Lambda\mu^+\mu^-$
Journal : PLB
Contact authors : Michal Kreps, Cristina Lazzeroni
Reviewers : Justine Serrano (chair),
Konstantin Petridis
EB reviewer : Steven Blusk
EB readers : Frederic Machefert, Joerg Marks
Analysis note : ANA-2011-094
Deadline : 17-May-2013
e-group : lhcb-paper-2013-025-reviewers
Link : http://cds.cern.ch/record/1546208
Authors : LHCb
Twiki :
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCbPhysics/LambdaBLambdamumu
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments:
NIKHEF, Netherlands
Ferrara, Italy
Firenze, Italy
UFRJ, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Syracuse, United States
Zurich, Switzerland
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility
of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments
made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in
consultation with the referees and during the EB reading. Following
this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with
contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are
made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the
collaboration and the paper is sent for publication.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments
via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts.
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial…
Regards,
Rolf Oldeman
Dear all,
Please see this link
http://cds.cern.ch/record/1543516
for answers to our comments on the B->phiK* paper.
Cheers,
Wouter
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Hi all,
The K*mumu people were very fast in replying to our review. See
https://cds.cern.ch/record/1537911
I have not digested all of that yet. One cookie goes to Jeroen for
having spotted a mistake in a formula.
Cheers,
Patrick
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Dear all,
At 11am I'll give a short 'lecture' on decaytreefitter over Vidyo. It is
for UK PhD students, but I guess everybody is welcome. You can find
details below.
Cheers.
Wouter
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Dear all,
We are pleased to announce that there will be an LHCb-UK student meeting
next Tuesday (April 9th), featuring a presentation by Wouter Hulsbergen
discussing the DecayTreeFitter tool and its use in LHCb. This is a tool
which is being used by an increasing number of analyses, so please come
along to find out how it works and how it could be applied to your own
analysis!
Ahead of the meeting, Wouter asked us to circulate a couple of links
that give some background information on DecayTreeFitter:
1) The original paper outlining the method
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0503191
2) Some lectures from Wouter on tracking
http://www.nikhef.nl/~wouterh/topicallectures/ (especially Parts 1 & 6)
The meeting will start at 10am UK time (11am CERN time). The Indico page
can be found here:
https://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=245278
There is a Vidyo booking attached to the meeting, the details are:
Name of the room: LHCb_UK_Student_Meeting
Extension: 9235227
PIN: 2924
For those at CERN, the meeting will be in the usual room, 32/S-C22.
Coffee and pastries will be provided.
We hope to see many of you there!
Best Regards,
Laurence, Steve, Thomas and Sam
Hi all,
I compiled Niels', Jeroen's and my comments and will paste this into CDS
if I get no more comments before 2:
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Dear Tom, Nicola and friends,
Congratulations for that impressive result. We are getting close to the
roadmap (the central values as well, unfortunately...)
Here are the comments from the Nikhef group.
A few general comments:
It's a difficult analysis resulting in a difficult paper to understand
and more so to write. You've done a great job but there are still some
places that could be clarified, especially Section 7.
We find the description of the phi folding a bit detailed for the
introduction. We suggest to be more brief in the intro, and move more
detail to Sec.7.1.
Fig.2: There seems to be a hump in all 6 bins around 5600 MeV. That
happens to be the end of your training window. Have you studied these
events?
Table 2: It's not clear to use why you need to give corrected and
uncorrected numbers. They are consistent at the 1/10th of a sigma level.
Why not just give a systematic?
Eq.(7) is a bit vague. We wouldn't know where to plug in these terms.
Why is there an or? Either say more or less.
372: phimumu is on the same timescale as your paper. You could refer to
it (here I'm getting myself into trouble as I just recommended to
Christoph to refer to your paper - PK).
But can't these decays be trivially vetoed at no signal cost. The phi is
so narrow it cannot eat into the K* signal.
Some maths questions and comments:
L. 17 / Eqs. 1+2:
- Both sin(phi) and the sign of cos(phi) are needed to determine phi.
- Is this the correct definition of sin(phi)?
- sin(phi) = [ (p^_mu+ x p^_mu-) x (p^_K+ x p^_pi-) ] . p^_K*
- cos(phi) = (p^_mu+ x p^_mu-) . (p^_K+ x p^_pi-) * L. 17 / Eqs. 1+2:
Eq. 3: S_6 * cos^2(t_K) * cos(t_l) --> S_6 * sin^2(t_K) * cos(t_l)
(cos^2(t_K) is for the longitudinal--scalar interference)
L. 249: From the expressions of observables in terms of amplitudes, one
would (naively) expect the boundaries of A_FB and A_9 to be:
|A_FB| <= 3/2 * (1-F_L) and |A_9| <= 1 * (1-F_L)
(without taking into account correlations between A_FB, A_9 and S_3).
Where does the factor two difference come from?
L. 29, 33, 36, 308, 309, 398, 500, Tab. 2, Fig. 4:
"K* amplitudes"/"K* polarisations": This is a bit sloppy. In general,
the K* polarization doesn't fully determine the state of the mumuK*
system. For example, it is also longitudinal for the state in which the
mumu polarization is timelike. Maybe "decay amplitudes" and
"polarization states"?
Sect. 7.3, App. A:
It is not obvious how the q^2-dependent factors in Eqs. 7, 14 and 15 are
obtained. The most general expressions for the observables in terms of
amplitudes cannot be written in this form. Can you indicate which
assumptions for form factors and Wilson coefficients were made to obtain
the large-recoil dilution factors? Is it described somewhere how this
was done?
L. 400-408:
It is not entirely clear how F_S can be determined with the measurements
of A_S:
- You explain the procedure for "the P-wave amplitude" and "the S-wave
amplitude". For single (transversity) amplitudes one can see how the
magnitude of the S-wave amplitude can be determined from the difference
in this 0-S interference term above and below the resonance. However, it
is not obvious that this works if all observables are sums of left- and
right-handed and B and Bbar terms. Do you need to make assumptions here?
- Are values for F_L needed for this estimate of F_S? How are these
obtained?
- Do you combine this estimate of F_S with the direct measurement from
the F_S term in the differential decay rate?
460: As you claim the zero-crossing point is precisely known, can't we
include a prediction with error?
Purely textual comments:
Abstract+L.457 [no brackets around result]
7: [specify: ] '... larger theoretical uncertainties form hadronic form
factors.'
10: why "so"?
17: and 19: no colon
Eq.(1) and (2) replace . by \cdot
22: use \CP everywhere
23: of the one for the B0 decay (it's the definition, not the B that is
transformed)
26: corresponds to -> is (?)
34: 3*S_2^s = 1-F_L --> 4*S_2^s = 1-F_L
34: S_6 is responsible for generating... S_6 and A_FB are just different
parametrisation of the same thing. Please reword. e.g. Add the
conversion factor between AFB and S6.
37: "not suppressed... involved". As opposed to what?
46: and _to_ provide (increases readability)
47: why don't you give the angular expression here? Isn't it equation 6?
At least forward reference it.
49: {\rm Re} (we think)
50: [skip the colloquial sentence: ] 'Hence they are .. cleaner.'
56: Sections 4 and 5 are not mentioned. The backgrounds are in Section
4, not 3.
58: ', in terms of cos theta_l, ... '
62: why [6] and not [44]?
71: do you need two citations of [10]?
90: which primary?
91: replace [18] by trigger paper [11].
100: remove "consistent with that of the K*(892)"
122-123 [add commas:] ', and populates ... mass range, '
133 'Psi(2S) mesons.'
136: "... are shown in Fig.~1." (not for reference)
146: Use template \Lb and \L.
148-151: rewrite that in 2 sentences.
149 'picking up' -> 'using'
153: and many other places. Why not J/psiK* instead of K*J/psi? It is
much more common.
153: and a muon as a pion or a kaon (people outside LHCb do not know any
track is a good pion).
156 Ref.[21] is old. Should be: arXiv:1301.5286]
157: [Why Yukawa??] 'SM Yukawa couplings' -> 'CKM elements'
160: SM simulation sounds like you're simulating the whole Standard Model.
162: the geometry cannot bias a distribution. Its acceptance does.
170: the K*0 decay.
176: What do you mean with 'normalised' and 'have the correct
statistical power' ?
179: 2.0 -> two.
188: principle -> principal?
193: Is that really two CB or is one reversed?
Fig.2 [x-axis more clear if:] m_Kpimumu -> m(Kpimumu)
SetTitle("#font[12]{m}(K^{+}#pi^{#font[122]{-}}#mu^{+}#mu^{#font[122]{-}})
[MeV/#font[12]{c}^{2}]")
Caption Table 1: Maybe mention what the second (and first) uncertainty is?
209 [don't repeat decay decsriptors] 'The values for the branching
fractions are BR(.... '
210: you should explain here why you use [24] and not [22] for J/psiK*
223 and 226: / -> and (or or)
251: "have an immediate correspondence to the transformations" rephrase
255: helicity _or_ transversity. BTW are they defined? If these
relationships are not reproduced where, where can we find them?
256 and elsewhere: why put A^Re_T and A_T^2 in parentheses? You measure
all of those.
260: uni-angular sounds like jargon.
261-264: How is the wrong-ID probability parameter omega treated in the
fit? Is it fixed/constrained to the MC number from Section 4?
265: signal -> angular distribution, or model, or...
267: The angular observables vary... This is very important and should
be mentioned the first time you explain you do fits in bins.
269: (1-F_L) why the parenthesis?
275 and 287: Feldman-Cousins
283: express? exhibit?
286: 'row' -> 'column'
302: We had to think a bit to realise that largest recoil was the lowest
q^2 bin. Why not call it like that?
305: "dilute the impact of the observables" is also very vague.
Footnote 2: Ref [31] is not the same as the gamma combination paper uses
for the same method. We have no opinion on who's right, but one should
agree if possible.
309 [missing 'meson' and 'be'; skip 'only one'; rewrite:] 'K*0 meson,
FL, turns out to be the only observable that'
L.310/311 [unclear, how about:] 'sensitivity to FL arises mainly from
the shape of the costheta_k distribution, '
Fig.4 S_3 is bound to be less than 1/2(1-F_L). You could zoom in to at
least -0.5<S_3<0.5. [caption] : 'prediction is included' -> 'prediction
is shown'
316: S_3/A_FB : S_3 and A_FB. Or are you making a fraction?
333: SM _prediction_
343: Can't you test the assumption of equal B and Bbar in your sample?
350: faithfully reproduce -> are in agreement with
369: You neglect 0.25? That should be explained.
421: A large sample. Not all?
424: by 7\% -> by up to 7\%
Eq.12 would look better with: \left(1-F_{\rm L}(q^2)\right)
[7] BELLE -> Belle
[11] LHCb. There's an arxiv number.
[18] Still needed?
[21] There seems to be a space missing before TeV (to be replaced anyway)
Cheers,
Patrick, Jeroen, Niels for the Nikhef group
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Patrick Koppenburg Nikhef, Amsterdam http://www.koppenburg.org/address.html
A new paper for Nikhef!
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Subject: CORRECTION concerning reading institutions for PAPER-2013-016,
Production of $J/\psi$~and $\Upsilon(1S)$, $\Upsilon(2S)$ and
$\Upsilon(3S)$~mesons at $\sqrt{s}=$8~TeV
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:37:51 +0100
From: Rolf Oldeman <rudolf.oldeman(a)cern.ch>
To: lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list) <lhcb-general(a)cern.ch>
Apologies, I made a mistake with the assignment of the reading institutions.
The correct assignment is below. Best regards, Rolf
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title :
Production of $J/\psi$~and $\Upsilon(1S)$, $\Upsilon(2S)$ and
$\Upsilon(3S)$~mesons at $\sqrt{s}=$8~TeV
Journal : JHEP
Contact authors : Monica Pepe-Altarelli, Giulia Manca
Reviewers : Johannes Albrecht (chair),
Chris Parkes
EB reviewer : Raluca Muresan
EB readers : Niels Tuning, Joerg Marks
Analysis note : ANA-2012-058
Deadline : 30-Mar-2013
e-group : lhcb-paper-2013-016-reviewers
Link : http://cds.cern.ch/record/1528576
Authors : LHCb
Twiki :
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/JPsiUpsilon8TeVXsec
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments:
Cambridge, United Kingdom
CBPF, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Moscow State University, Russia
LPNHE, Paris, France,
Cincinnati, United States
EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland
NIKHEF, Netherlands
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility
of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments
made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in
consultation with the referees and during the EB reading. Following
this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with
contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are
made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the
collaboration and the paper is sent for publication.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments
via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts.
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial…
Regards,
Rolf Oldeman
On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Rolf Oldeman wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> A paper is available for your comments:
>
> Title :
> Production of $J/\psi$~and $\Upsilon(1S)$, $\Upsilon(2S)$ and
> $\Upsilon(3S)$~mesons at $\sqrt{s}=$8~TeV
>
> Journal : JHEP
> Contact authors : Monica Pepe-Altarelli, Giulia Manca
> Reviewers : Johannes Albrecht (chair),
> Chris Parkes
> EB reviewer : Raluca Muresan
> EB readers : Niels Tuning, Joerg Marks
> Analysis note : ANA-2012-058
> Deadline : 30-Mar-2013
> e-group : lhcb-paper-2013-016-reviewers
> Link : http://cds.cern.ch/record/1528576
> Authors : LHCb
> Twiki :
> https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/JPsiUpsilon8TeVXsec
>
> The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments:
> Frascati, Italy
> MPIK, Heidelberg, Germany
> STFC (RAL), United Kingdom
> IHEP, Protvino, Russia
> Imperial College London, United Kingdom
> Ruprecht-Karls-Universitat Heidelberg, Germany
>
>
> Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility
> of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments
> made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in
> consultation with the referees and during the EB reading. Following
> this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with
> contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are
> made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the
> collaboration and the paper is sent for publication.
>
> You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments
> via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts.
>
> http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial…
>
> Regards,
> Rolf Oldeman
>
Dear all,
I am collecting the comments on the paper "Differential branching
fraction and angular analysis of the decay B0?K?0?+?-:"" "
https://cds.cern.ch/record/1530660?ln=en
Please send me your comments by Thursday 4 April.
Cheers,
Patrick
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Patrick Koppenburg Nikhef, Amsterdam
http://www.koppenburg.org/address.html
Dear all,
I have been volunteered to send in our institutional review of the
B0s->phiK* paper. For details see below. If you would like me to include
your comments, please send them to me by April 4th. (There is no reason
to be bored in your Easter holidays!)
Cheers,
Wouter
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Title : First observation of the decay $B_s^0 \to\phi\bar{K}^{*0}$
Journal : JHEP
Contact authors : Antonio Romero, Cibran Santamarina Rios
Reviewers : Alvaro Neto (chair),
Steve Playfer
EB reviewer : Steven Blusk
EB readers : Tim Gershon, Frederic Machefert
Analysis note : ANA-2012-030
Deadline : 05-Apr-2013
e-group : lhcb-paper-2013-012-reviewers
Link : http://cds.cern.ch/record/1530549
Authors : LHCb
Twiki :
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/BsToKstarKstar
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments:
Ferrara, Italy
Warwick, United Kingdom
Dortmund, Germany
EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland
NIKHEF, Netherlands
Dear Bfys friends,
I we have a new theory paper on Bs -> mu+mu-, which has appeared in the arXiv today and is the
result of a collaboration with the Andrzej Buras and Jennifer Girrbach from the TU Munich:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.3820
With best regards,
Robert & Rob
Hi all,
... and since papers always come in pairs, here's another one.
Cheers,
Patrick
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2013-006,
Measurement of the $B^0_s - \bar{B}^0_s$ oscillation frequency $\Delta
m_s$ in the decay $B^0_s \to $D^+_s \pi^-$
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:58:35 +0100
From: Rolf Oldeman <rudolf.oldeman(a)cern.ch>
To: lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list) <lhcb-general(a)cern.ch>
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Measurement of the $B^0_s - \bar{B}^0_s$ oscillation frequency
$\Delta m_s$ in the decay $B^0_s \to $D^+_s \pi^-$
Journal : NJP
Contact authors : Sebastian Wandernoth
Reviewers : Miriam Gandelman (chair), Giampiero Mancinelli
EB reviewer : Raluca Muresan
Analysis note : ANA-2012-053
Deadline : 4-Mar-2013
e-group : lhcb-paper-2013-006-reviewers
Link : http://cds.cern.ch/record/1516965
Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/DeltaMs2011
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments:
Dublin, Ireland.
LPC, Clermont-Ferrand, France
Glasgow, United Kingdom.
Bari, Italy
EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland.
NIKHEF, Netherlands
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility
of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments
made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in
consultation with the referees and during the EB reading. Following
this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with
contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are
made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the
collaboration and the paper is sent for publication.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments
via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts.
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial…
Regards,
Rolf Oldeman (For Ulrik Egede)