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Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
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Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Hi Jeroen,
I just had a quick look at the paper. Below are my comments.
Cheers, Niels
Abstract -------- * [I strongly suggest to also mention the 5840 and 5960 resonances in the abstract, as they are discussed so prominently in the paper.] * "prominent in the high transverse momentum region" [of what? The bachelor pion I suppose? Would it need specification?]
1 Intro ------- L.7 "the total angular momentum of the light quark" [Isn't that the same as the spin of the light quark? How could a single quark have any other angular momentum?]
L.25 "Since the B* decays " -> "Since the B* meson decays "
L.33 [I appreciate the explanation of the nomenclature in L.11-14, but here you introduce a primed B'. Could you add that in the explanation?]
Fig.1 [I'd make the y-axis title smaller.]
3 Selection ------------ L.123 [Is the background from Bc decay negligible? If so, you could consider a sentence like:] "The background from $B_c^+$ mesons is negligible, due to the small production rate of $B_c^+$ mesons, and the fact that the decay $B_c^+\to B^0 \pi^+$ is Cabibbo suppressed \cite{LHCb-PAPER-2013-044}."
4 Fit model ------------ L.200 [What is l ? Perhaps it could be defined in L.6-L.12 ?]
5 Results --------- L.233 [What is ment with "alternative hyopotheses" ? Perhaps the explanation could be repeated then in the caption of Tab.3]
Tab.3 [The caption does not match the Table: the top quadruplet does not only contain 5840.]
Tab.3 [Do you understand why the width of the 5840 is incompatible between the B+pi- and B0pi+ final states?]
7 Interpretation ------------------ L.305+ [The ratio should be formatted bigger.]
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Jeroen Van Tilburg wrote:
Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel tjeerd@nikhef.nl wrote:
Dear all,
We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, combine them and circulate them before submission on Friday 9 January.
Best regards, Tjeerd
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 From: Rolf Oldeman rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" lhcb-general@cern.ch Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Tomorrow we will combine the comments. I have mine attached.
Tjeerd On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Jeroen Van Tilburg wrote:
Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel tjeerd@nikhef.nl wrote:
Dear all,
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Best regards, Tjeerd
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Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Hi all,
Just to let you know I already commented on draft 0 prior to circulation, so don't have anything now.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 08/01/15 15:05, Tjeerd Ketel wrote:
Tomorrow we will combine the comments. I have mine attached.
Tjeerd On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Jeroen Van Tilburg wrote:
Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel tjeerd@nikhef.nl wrote:
Dear all,
We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, combine them and circulate them before submission on Friday 9 January.
Best regards, Tjeerd
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 From: Rolf Oldeman rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" lhcb-general@cern.ch Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Dear all, here are my comments on the paper. I have two questions/comments (and I congratulate the authors):
The first is on shape of the AP-component, which is justified on page 8 line 208-215. However, the motivation leaves a lot of freedom to chose any shape. What fraction of the AP-shape is the sixth-order polynomial based on MC and what fraction is the broad RBW based on unmodelled fragmentation effects? I can not judge it from looking at the shape in Figs 4 and 5.
Since the shape of AP might affect the parameters of the resonances in a different way in each of the three p_t bins I would like to see whether all the masses and widths give consistent results in case they are determined independently in each of the p_t bins.
The second question is on the overall momentum/mass scale. I presume the uncertainty of the overall momentum scale in the values quoted on page 17 (line 298) is 0.17 MeV. I'm surprised it is so small. Is this taken from another paper?
cheers, - Marcel
On 8 January 2015 at 13:14, Jeroen Van Tilburg jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch wrote:
Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel tjeerd@nikhef.nl wrote:
Dear all,
We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, combine them and circulate them before submission on Friday 9 January.
Best regards, Tjeerd
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 From: Rolf Oldeman rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" lhcb-general@cern.ch Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in
the
$B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher
invariant
mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki :
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Dear all,
See below my comments:
- In the abstract and conclusions it is written “Parameters of these structures are obtained…” This is quite vague. Could this be a bit more specific? For instance, mass and natural width of these structures are obtained…” or similar.
- L6-8: There is a small contradiction here. First, L is defined as a the relative orbital angular momentum of the two quarks, and then the total angular momentum of the light quark only is |L+-0.5|. In the heavy-quark approximation, there is only the orbital angular momentum of the light quark L. So, this can be fixed by defining L as the orbital angular momentum of the light quark in L6-7.
- L28: Suggest: “Due to the missing photon, the peaks from decays to B*pi are shifted …"
- Footnote: Replace Letter by paper.
- Fig. 1: Could you make these plots a bit bigger?
- Fig 1, caption: replace “fitted with a double Crystal Ball” -> “modelled with a double Crystal Ball”. To make it consistent with the rest of the sentence.
- Fig 1, caption: add dash in “second-order”.
- All plots: Make all text in normal font (not in bold).
- L98: Suggest to smoothen: “… requires that the software trigger decision is based exclusively…."
- L103 and 105: Use the abbreviation “PV” here.
- L141: Remove “respectively”. It is not needed.
Cheers Jeroen
On 8 Jan, 2015, at 15:22 pm, Marcel Merk <marcel.merk@nikhef.nlmailto:marcel.merk@nikhef.nl> wrote:
Dear all, here are my comments on the paper. I have two questions/comments (and I congratulate the authors):
The first is on shape of the AP-component, which is justified on page 8 line 208-215. However, the motivation leaves a lot of freedom to chose any shape. What fraction of the AP-shape is the sixth-order polynomial based on MC and what fraction is the broad RBW based on unmodelled fragmentation effects? I can not judge it from looking at the shape in Figs 4 and 5.
Since the shape of AP might affect the parameters of the resonances in a different way in each of the three p_t bins I would like to see whether all the masses and widths give consistent results in case they are determined independently in each of the p_t bins.
The second question is on the overall momentum/mass scale. I presume the uncertainty of the overall momentum scale in the values quoted on page 17 (line 298) is 0.17 MeV. I'm surprised it is so small. Is this taken from another paper?
cheers, - Marcel
On 8 January 2015 at 13:14, Jeroen Van Tilburg <jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.chmailto:jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch> wrote: Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel <tjeerd@nikhef.nlmailto:tjeerd@nikhef.nl> wrote:
Dear all,
We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, combine them and circulate them before submission on Friday 9 January.
Best regards, Tjeerd
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A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
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Hi Marcel,
I think I remember that the very small uncertainty on masses is due to the q-value being tiny. The momentum resolution is (should be) given in the section on the detector. I did not redo the maths, though.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 08/01/15 15:22, Marcel Merk wrote:
Dear all, here are my comments on the paper. I have two questions/comments (and I congratulate the authors):
The first is on shape of the AP-component, which is justified on page 8 line 208-215. However, the motivation leaves a lot of freedom to chose any shape. What fraction of the AP-shape is the sixth-order polynomial based on MC and what fraction is the broad RBW based on unmodelled fragmentation effects? I can not judge it from looking at the shape in Figs 4 and 5.
Since the shape of AP might affect the parameters of the resonances in a different way in each of the three p_t bins I would like to see whether all the masses and widths give consistent results in case they are determined independently in each of the p_t bins.
The second question is on the overall momentum/mass scale. I presume the uncertainty of the overall momentum scale in the values quoted on page 17 (line 298) is 0.17 MeV. I'm surprised it is so small. Is this taken from another paper?
cheers,
- Marcel
On 8 January 2015 at 13:14, Jeroen Van Tilburg <jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch mailto:jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch> wrote:
Dear all, As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already? Cheers Jeroen On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel <tjeerd@nikhef.nl <mailto:tjeerd@nikhef.nl>> wrote: > Dear all, > > We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. > Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, > I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, > combine them and circulate them before submission on > Friday 9 January. > > Best regards, > Tjeerd > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 > From: Rolf Oldeman <rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch <mailto:rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch>> > To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" <lhcb-general@cern.ch <mailto:lhcb-general@cern.ch>> > Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, > Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, > +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, > +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the > $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra > > Dear Colleagues, > > A paper is available for your comments: > > Title : > Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and > $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant > mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra > > Journal : JHEP > Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo > Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), > Wenbin Qian > EB reviewer : Nicola Serra > EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano > Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 > Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 > e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers > Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 > Authors : LHCb > Twiki > : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy > > The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: > KINR, Kyiv, Ukraine > Roma Tor Vergata, Roma, Italy > Liverpool, United Kingdom > Bologna, Italy > EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland > NIKHEF, Netherlands > > > Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility > of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments > made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in > consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following > this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with > contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are > made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the > collaboration and the paper is sent for publication. > > You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments > via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts. > > http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_boa > rd/default.html > > Regards, > Rolf Oldeman > > _______________________________________________ > Bfys-physics mailing list > Bfys-physics@nikhef.nl <mailto:Bfys-physics@nikhef.nl> > https://mailman.nikhef.nl/mailman/listinfo/bfys-physics _______________________________________________ Bfys-physics mailing list Bfys-physics@nikhef.nl <mailto:Bfys-physics@nikhef.nl> https://mailman.nikhef.nl/mailman/listinfo/bfys-physics
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Yes, but that is only on the *mass difference* with the B-mass as reconstructed by us, right? Ciao, - Marcel
On 9 January 2015 at 12:02, Patrick Koppenburg Patrick.Koppenburg@cern.ch wrote:
Hi Marcel,
I think I remember that the very small uncertainty on masses is due to the q-value being tiny. The momentum resolution is (should be) given in the section on the detector. I did not redo the maths, though.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 08/01/15 15:22, Marcel Merk wrote:
Dear all, here are my comments on the paper. I have two questions/comments (and I congratulate the authors):
The first is on shape of the AP-component, which is justified on page 8 line 208-215. However, the motivation leaves a lot of freedom to chose any shape. What fraction of the AP-shape is the sixth-order polynomial based on MC and what fraction is the broad RBW based on unmodelled fragmentation effects? I can not judge it from looking at the shape in Figs 4 and 5.
Since the shape of AP might affect the parameters of the resonances in a different way in each of the three p_t bins I would like to see whether all the masses and widths give consistent results in case they are determined independently in each of the p_t bins.
The second question is on the overall momentum/mass scale. I presume the uncertainty of the overall momentum scale in the values quoted on page 17 (line 298) is 0.17 MeV. I'm surprised it is so small. Is this taken from another paper?
cheers,
- Marcel
On 8 January 2015 at 13:14, Jeroen Van Tilburg <jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch
wrote:
Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel tjeerd@nikhef.nl wrote:
Dear all,
We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, combine them and circulate them before submission on Friday 9 January.
Best regards, Tjeerd
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 From: Rolf Oldeman rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" lhcb-general@cern.ch Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in
the
$B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher
invariant
mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki :
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: KINR, Kyiv, Ukraine Roma Tor Vergata, Roma, Italy Liverpool, United Kingdom Bologna, Italy EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland NIKHEF, Netherlands
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the collaboration and the paper is sent for publication.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts.
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_...
rd/default.html
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On 09/01/15 13:21, Marcel Merk wrote:
Yes, but that is only on the *mass difference* with the B-mass as reconstructed by us, right?
yes, I presume the B is mass-constrained.
Cheers,
Patrick
Ciao,
- Marcel
On 9 January 2015 at 12:02, Patrick Koppenburg <Patrick.Koppenburg@cern.ch mailto:Patrick.Koppenburg@cern.ch> wrote:
Hi Marcel, I think I remember that the very small uncertainty on masses is due to the q-value being tiny. The momentum resolution is (should be) given in the section on the detector. I did not redo the maths, though. Cheers, Patrick On 08/01/15 15:22, Marcel Merk wrote:Dear all, here are my comments on the paper. I have two questions/comments (and I congratulate the authors): The first is on shape of the AP-component, which is justified on page 8 line 208-215. However, the motivation leaves a lot of freedom to chose any shape. What fraction of the AP-shape is the sixth-order polynomial based on MC and what fraction is the broad RBW based on unmodelled fragmentation effects? I can not judge it from looking at the shape in Figs 4 and 5. Since the shape of AP might affect the parameters of the resonances in a different way in each of the three p_t bins I would like to see whether all the masses and widths give consistent results in case they are determined independently in each of the p_t bins. The second question is on the overall momentum/mass scale. I presume the uncertainty of the overall momentum scale in the values quoted on page 17 (line 298) is 0.17 MeV. I'm surprised it is so small. Is this taken from another paper? cheers, - Marcel On 8 January 2015 at 13:14, Jeroen Van Tilburg <jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch <mailto:jeroen.van.tilburg@cern.ch>> wrote: Dear all, As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already? Cheers Jeroen On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel <tjeerd@nikhef.nl <mailto:tjeerd@nikhef.nl>> wrote: > Dear all, > > We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. > Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, > I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, > combine them and circulate them before submission on > Friday 9 January. > > Best regards, > Tjeerd > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 > From: Rolf Oldeman <rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch <mailto:rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch>> > To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" <lhcb-general@cern.ch <mailto:lhcb-general@cern.ch>> > Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, > Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, > +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, > +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the > $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra > > Dear Colleagues, > > A paper is available for your comments: > > Title : > Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and > $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant > mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra > > Journal : JHEP > Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo > Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), > Wenbin Qian > EB reviewer : Nicola Serra > EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano > Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 > Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 > e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers > Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 > Authors : LHCb > Twiki > : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy > > The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: > KINR, Kyiv, Ukraine > Roma Tor Vergata, Roma, Italy > Liverpool, United Kingdom > Bologna, Italy > EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland > NIKHEF, Netherlands > > > Please send any comments via the CDS system. 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Dear all,
I attached the combined comments by Nikhef, which I will upload at the end of the afternoon. Please, have a look at it.
Best regards,
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015, Jeroen Van Tilburg wrote:
Dear all,
As a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow. Did anyone read the paper already?
Cheers Jeroen
On 17 Dec, 2014, at 15:22 pm, Tjeerd Ketel tjeerd@nikhef.nl wrote:
Dear all,
We have a paper to be reviewed by Nikhef. Unless somebody volunteers for this Friday morning, I propose to collect comments until Wednesday 7 January, combine them and circulate them before submission on Friday 9 January.
Best regards, Tjeerd
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:49:34 +0000 From: Rolf Oldeman rudolf.oldeman@cern.ch To: "lhcb-general (LHCb General mailing list)" lhcb-general@cern.ch Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2014-067, Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0, +}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0, +}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Dear Colleagues,
A paper is available for your comments:
Title : Precise measurements of the properties of the $B_1(5721)^{0,+}$ and $B^\ast_2(5747)^{0,+}$ states and observation of structure at higher invariant mass in the $B^+\pi^-$ and $B^0\pi^+$ spectra
Journal : JHEP Contact authors : Vladimir Gligorov, Marco Pappagallo Reviewers : Michael Schmelling (chair), Wenbin Qian EB reviewer : Nicola Serra EB readers : George Lafferty, Justine Serrano Analysis note : ANA-2012-121 Deadline : 09-Jan-2015 e-group : lhcb-paper-2014-067-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/1977390 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/viewauth/LHCbPhysics/Bs0ststSpectroscopy
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: KINR, Kyiv, Ukraine Roma Tor Vergata, Roma, Italy Liverpool, United Kingdom Bologna, Italy EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland NIKHEF, Netherlands
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies on all comments made. Subsequent modification to the publication are made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board with contact authors and reviewers present where final decisions are made. As the last step a short presentation is given to the collaboration and the paper is sent for publication.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts.
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_... rd/default.html
Regards, Rolf Oldeman
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