[Bfys-physics] Fwd: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2017-027, Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays
Hi all,
Unsurprisingly the R_Dstar PRD that goes with the PRL is also assigned to us. I presume Greg will continue collecting comments.
Cheers,
Patrick
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2017-027, Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:02:05 +0000 From: fergus.wilson@stfc.ac.uk To: lhcb-general@cern.ch CC: LHCb-PAPER-2017-027-reviewers@cern.ch
Dear Colleagues,
A draft paper is available for your comments. Team leaders, verify the author list and check for reading obligations of your group (see below)!
Title : Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays
Journal : PRD Contact authors : Guy_Wormser, Antonio_Romero, Concezio_Bozzi Reviewers : Konstantinos_Petridis (chair), Michael_McCann, Marcello_Rotondo EB reviewer : Roberta_Santacesaria EB readers : Brian_Meadows, Simon_Eidelman Analysis note : ANA-2015-045 Deadline : 30-Aug-2017 e-group : lhcb-paper-2017-017-reviewers Link : https://cds.cern.ch/record/2279948 Authors : LHCb Twiki : https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCbPhysics/BToXTauNu3Prong
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: EPFL__Lausanne__Switzerland Zurich__Switzerland Ruprecht-Karls-Universitaet_Heidelberg__Germany NIKHEF__Amsterdam__The_Netherlands Frascati__Italy Manchester__United_Kingdom
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies to all comments made. Subsequent modifications to the draft will be made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board, with contact authors and reviewers present, when final decisions will be made. As the last step, the collaboration will be given a final opportunity to comment during a 'silent approval' period.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts:
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_...
Best regards, Fergus
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fergus Wilson, PPD & CERN, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Campus, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1235 445259 Fax: +44-(0)1235 445672 CERN Tel: +41-22 76 77379 Skype: ferguswilson5259
Hi all
I am indeed collecting comments, sorry for the lack of communication. I'd like to send our comments on Wednesday, so could anyone intending to comment send them to me by the end of tomorrow.
Cheers, Greg
On 08/16/2017 05:14 PM, Patrick Koppenburg wrote:
Hi all,
Unsurprisingly the R_Dstar PRD that goes with the PRL is also assigned to us. I presume Greg will continue collecting comments.
Cheers,
Patrick
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2017-027, Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:02:05 +0000 From: fergus.wilson@stfc.ac.uk To: lhcb-general@cern.ch CC: LHCb-PAPER-2017-027-reviewers@cern.ch
Dear Colleagues,
A draft paper is available for your comments. Team leaders, verify the author list and check for reading obligations of your group (see below)!
Title : Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays
Journal : PRD Contact authors : Guy_Wormser, Antonio_Romero, Concezio_Bozzi Reviewers : Konstantinos_Petridis (chair), Michael_McCann, Marcello_Rotondo EB reviewer : Roberta_Santacesaria EB readers : Brian_Meadows, Simon_Eidelman Analysis note : ANA-2015-045 Deadline : 30-Aug-2017 e-group : lhcb-paper-2017-017-reviewers Link :https://cds.cern.ch/record/2279948 Authors : LHCb Twiki :https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCbPhysics/BToXTauNu3Prong
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: EPFL__Lausanne__Switzerland Zurich__Switzerland Ruprecht-Karls-Universitaet_Heidelberg__Germany NIKHEF__Amsterdam__The_Netherlands Frascati__Italy Manchester__United_Kingdom
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies to all comments made. Subsequent modifications to the draft will be made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board, with contact authors and reviewers present, when final decisions will be made. As the last step, the collaboration will be given a final opportunity to comment during a 'silent approval' period.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts:
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_...
Best regards, Fergus
Fergus Wilson, PPD & CERN, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Campus, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1235 445259 Fax: +44-(0)1235 445672 CERN Tel: +41-22 76 77379 Skype: ferguswilson5259
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Hi all,
For completeness: I passed an annotated copy to Greg, so people at Nikhef will not enjoy reading my comments before they are on CDS #irony. I also sent physics questions directly, as I wanted them addressed before the PRL is out. It's at https://cds.cern.ch/record/2280899?ln=en
Cheers,
Patrick
On 28/08/17 16:11, Greg wrote:
Hi all
I am indeed collecting comments, sorry for the lack of communication. I'd like to send our comments on Wednesday, so could anyone intending to comment send them to me by the end of tomorrow.
Cheers, Greg
On 08/16/2017 05:14 PM, Patrick Koppenburg wrote:
Hi all,
Unsurprisingly the R_Dstar PRD that goes with the PRL is also assigned to us. I presume Greg will continue collecting comments.
Cheers,
Patrick
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2017-027, Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:02:05 +0000 From: fergus.wilson@stfc.ac.uk To: lhcb-general@cern.ch CC: LHCb-PAPER-2017-027-reviewers@cern.ch
Dear Colleagues,
A draft paper is available for your comments. Team leaders, verify the author list and check for reading obligations of your group (see below)!
Title : Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays
Journal : PRD Contact authors : Guy_Wormser, Antonio_Romero, Concezio_Bozzi Reviewers : Konstantinos_Petridis (chair), Michael_McCann, Marcello_Rotondo EB reviewer : Roberta_Santacesaria EB readers : Brian_Meadows, Simon_Eidelman Analysis note : ANA-2015-045 Deadline : 30-Aug-2017 e-group : lhcb-paper-2017-017-reviewers Link :https://cds.cern.ch/record/2279948 Authors : LHCb Twiki :https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCbPhysics/BToXTauNu3Prong
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: EPFL__Lausanne__Switzerland Zurich__Switzerland Ruprecht-Karls-Universitaet_Heidelberg__Germany NIKHEF__Amsterdam__The_Netherlands Frascati__Italy Manchester__United_Kingdom
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies to all comments made. Subsequent modifications to the draft will be made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board, with contact authors and reviewers present, when final decisions will be made. As the last step, the collaboration will be given a final opportunity to comment during a 'silent approval' period.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts:
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_...
Best regards, Fergus
Fergus Wilson, PPD & CERN, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Campus, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1235 445259 Fax: +44-(0)1235 445672 CERN Tel: +41-22 76 77379 Skype: ferguswilson5259
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Hi
I'll send what I have to the list once I have it typed up, probably early-ish tomorrow.
Cheers, Greg
On 08/28/2017 04:35 PM, Patrick Koppenburg wrote:
Hi all,
For completeness: I passed an annotated copy to Greg, so people at Nikhef will not enjoy reading my comments before they are on CDS #irony. I also sent physics questions directly, as I wanted them addressed before the PRL is out. It's at https://cds.cern.ch/record/2280899?ln=en
Cheers,
Patrick
On 28/08/17 16:11, Greg wrote:
Hi all
I am indeed collecting comments, sorry for the lack of communication. I'd like to send our comments on Wednesday, so could anyone intending to comment send them to me by the end of tomorrow.
Cheers, Greg
On 08/16/2017 05:14 PM, Patrick Koppenburg wrote:
Hi all,
Unsurprisingly the R_Dstar PRD that goes with the PRL is also assigned to us. I presume Greg will continue collecting comments.
Cheers,
Patrick
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2017-027, Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:02:05 +0000 From: fergus.wilson@stfc.ac.uk To: lhcb-general@cern.ch CC: LHCb-PAPER-2017-027-reviewers@cern.ch
Dear Colleagues,
A draft paper is available for your comments. Team leaders, verify the author list and check for reading obligations of your group (see below)!
Title : Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays
Journal : PRD Contact authors : Guy_Wormser, Antonio_Romero, Concezio_Bozzi Reviewers : Konstantinos_Petridis (chair), Michael_McCann, Marcello_Rotondo EB reviewer : Roberta_Santacesaria EB readers : Brian_Meadows, Simon_Eidelman Analysis note : ANA-2015-045 Deadline : 30-Aug-2017 e-group : lhcb-paper-2017-017-reviewers Link :https://cds.cern.ch/record/2279948 Authors : LHCb Twiki :https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCbPhysics/BToXTauNu3Prong
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: EPFL__Lausanne__Switzerland Zurich__Switzerland Ruprecht-Karls-Universitaet_Heidelberg__Germany NIKHEF__Amsterdam__The_Netherlands Frascati__Italy Manchester__United_Kingdom
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies to all comments made. Subsequent modifications to the draft will be made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board, with contact authors and reviewers present, when final decisions will be made. As the last step, the collaboration will be given a final opportunity to comment during a 'silent approval' period.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts:
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_...
Best regards, Fergus
Fergus Wilson, PPD & CERN, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Campus, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1235 445259 Fax: +44-(0)1235 445672 CERN Tel: +41-22 76 77379 Skype: ferguswilson5259
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Hi
As promised, below are the comments I have collected so far.
Cheers, Greg
abstract: "with unprecedented purity" - is the purity really unprecedented compared to the B factory measurements? 12: space before footnote 20: "more compatible with the SM" - this is vague, please be more quantatitive 17-33: mention average of Belle measurements? 40-41: it makes no sense to list the absence of backgrounds with leptons as an advantage, considering that in exchange you inevitably select a new background with a higher rate. 47: "the kinematics of the decay can be determined" - you should add something along the lines of "up to two quadratic ambiguities". Overall the resolution on the decay kinematics isn't much different to the muonic mode, this sentence gives the wrong impression 98-100: here you make it sound like we use an inclusive D0 trigger - suggest "with a D0 -> K pi decay" 119: is organized -> proceeds 123: B-> D** tau nu also has the same vertex topology as the signal 128: remove then Figure 1: please use the same figure as the PRL 135: before showing -> and in ... is shown 140: extremely -> very 154: remove "exclusive" Figure 3: remove "on data" 162: has to be -> is 168: Figure 12 is much too far away to refer to here 174: remove "one" 195-196: The D*3pi candidate is rejected if any such track is found. 203: This sample isn't equivalent to the signal for the isolation, due to the different vertex topology (one vs two vertices the track can be added to). 214: remove "enough" and "it is known that". 215: we do not understand "even in the presence of underlying events" 219: define "around" 220: +", as it is known that no neutral particle is emittted in this decay." 220: MeV / c^2 226: remove it 229: "misidentification probability less than 17%" is misleading - event-by-event this isn't true 238: remove 2x very 246: The -> All 247: should clarify that this doesn't include the MVA? 262: two two-fold ambiguities 281: You should clarify that this works for a subset of background with B -> D* Ds(*), not B -> D* D X 282: extra->additional Figure 6: passing the signal selection 296: discriminate *the* signal from backgrounds 311: justify why these four - most important variables? 331: D*- meson Figure 10,11: not great in B&W Figure 12: Please do this for the cut value you actually use, otherwise it is misleading. Do the values you get here agree with your fit results? If not, then this is meaningless. Also, would be clearer as a table footnote: the one -> that Table 2: state that no BDT cut is applied to D*3pi 349: double charm needs to be defined, it isn't used in 3.3 or Figure 12 354 no hyphen between Ds+ and meson 362: Only (measured / known / large) source of rho0 mesons 365: stray bracket after fig 13 367: chares in eta and eta' decays 372: D*- 376: out of -> from 377-8: charges 382: rho0 and rho+, or only rho0? 385: no hyphen between 3pi and non-resonant 388: remove comma after precisely 392: what does "sensitivity relies only" mean 396: ? 402-407: this all seems to vague 415: D*- or the Ds+ *mesons* 422: avoid the linebreak across the decay 423: insert k in the equation Table3: align +- within columns 429: D*- meson, 3pi system. 430: denoted as WS, for wrong charge 454: write eight and four as words Table 5: why mix "combinatoric" and B1B2 461: why use 0.11 461: of the number of D**tau nu decay candidates to the signal decays 463-464: "corrected for using the relative efficiencies" isn't clear 461-488: these are all B-> D* D() X *decays*, with yields not numbers. 491: 2x candidates->decays 493: "two main drivers" is informal 497-498: limited size of the simulation samples used to build the templates 502: may now be filled Figure 17: label which BDT bin is which in the plots, include individual plots in additional material 508: state up front something like "the statistical (and systematic?) contributions to the total uncertainty are determined by" 508: obtained->determined Table 6: align +- 516: B0 signal peak Figure 19: the two resolution components are too correlated to show individually 520: remove candidates 527: B0 531: candidates on -> decays in 538-541: discuss the tau branching fraction uncertainties, move most of 560-565 here 541: ?? 543: hit multiplicity in the scintillating pad detector -> event multiplicity 585: add charges 608-609: this isn't clear - which fit variables? footnote 4: why here? 617:618: explain and motivate a bit more the difference in treatment between Ds and D+,0 8.3: this repeats 497-507 651: repeat of 541-549 663: vertex position uncertainty? 678-680: please use the same number of significant figures for the uncertainties 711: remove "statistical" 712 and used to measure the
On 08/28/2017 04:50 PM, Greg wrote:
Hi
I'll send what I have to the list once I have it typed up, probably early-ish tomorrow.
Cheers, Greg
On 08/28/2017 04:35 PM, Patrick Koppenburg wrote:
Hi all,
For completeness: I passed an annotated copy to Greg, so people at Nikhef will not enjoy reading my comments before they are on CDS #irony. I also sent physics questions directly, as I wanted them addressed before the PRL is out. It's at https://cds.cern.ch/record/2280899?ln=en
Cheers,
Patrick
On 28/08/17 16:11, Greg wrote:
Hi all
I am indeed collecting comments, sorry for the lack of communication. I'd like to send our comments on Wednesday, so could anyone intending to comment send them to me by the end of tomorrow.
Cheers, Greg
On 08/16/2017 05:14 PM, Patrick Koppenburg wrote:
Hi all,
Unsurprisingly the R_Dstar PRD that goes with the PRL is also assigned to us. I presume Greg will continue collecting comments.
Cheers,
Patrick
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: First circulation of publication draft for PAPER-2017-027, Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:02:05 +0000 From: fergus.wilson@stfc.ac.uk To: lhcb-general@cern.ch CC: LHCb-PAPER-2017-027-reviewers@cern.ch
Dear Colleagues,
A draft paper is available for your comments. Team leaders, verify the author list and check for reading obligations of your group (see below)!
Title : Measurement of the $\mathcal{B}(B^0 \to D^{\ast-} \tau^+ \nu_{\tau})$ branching fraction using three-prong $\tau$ decays
Journal : PRD Contact authors : Guy_Wormser, Antonio_Romero, Concezio_Bozzi Reviewers : Konstantinos_Petridis (chair), Michael_McCann, Marcello_Rotondo EB reviewer : Roberta_Santacesaria EB readers : Brian_Meadows, Simon_Eidelman Analysis note : ANA-2015-045 Deadline : 30-Aug-2017 e-group : lhcb-paper-2017-017-reviewers Link :https://cds.cern.ch/record/2279948 Authors : LHCb Twiki :https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCbPhysics/BToXTauNu3Prong
The following institutes are requested to make institutional comments: EPFL__Lausanne__Switzerland Zurich__Switzerland Ruprecht-Karls-Universitaet_Heidelberg__Germany NIKHEF__Amsterdam__The_Netherlands Frascati__Italy Manchester__United_Kingdom
Please send any comments via the CDS system. It is the responsibility of the contact authors to provide replies to all comments made. Subsequent modifications to the draft will be made in consultation with the reviewers and during the EB reading. Following this, there will be a final meeting of the editorial board, with contact authors and reviewers present, when final decisions will be made. As the last step, the collaboration will be given a final opportunity to comment during a 'silent approval' period.
You can find all paper and conference report drafts open for comments via the EB web-page, by clicking on Current Drafts:
http://lhcb.web.cern.ch/lhcb/lhcb_page/collaboration/organization/editorial_...
Best regards, Fergus
Fergus Wilson, PPD & CERN, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Campus, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK. Tel: +44-(0)1235 445259 Fax: +44-(0)1235 445672 CERN Tel: +41-22 76 77379 Skype: ferguswilson5259
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