Ciao Sylvia

I really do not discuss the difficulty to implement the bank transfer or its cost. Surely you know better than everyone of us!

the point is that you/we cannot force people to do what they cannot do.  Paying via bank transfer is not easier than paying via card, actually is the other way around so if someone decide to pay via bank transfer is because it is really needed and not because they are lazy.

Many nations, I take Italy as example (but Poland and France are the same), need a bank transfer with invoice addressed to the corresponding national institute of physics. Those are internal rules that cannot be avoided  

While I agree that paying cash is bad and must be avoided (in fact we do not support it) I do not think is a really good idea to do not offer the possibility of back transfer.

Even if this option is not in the website (and this is a bad idea in my opinion) we need a standard form with all the required info and the final bank address. 
We will get tent of requests and we cannot imagine that everyone of us send tenth of mails to individual persons like the one you sent me otherwise surely we will make some mistake at certain point. 

Ciao
Alessandro

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 Dr. Alessandro Grelli
 Assistant Professor,
 Institute for Subatomic Physics
 Center for Extreme Matter and Emergent Phenomena
 Faculty of Science, Utrecht University

 Room:
 Ornstein Laboratorium OL 214
 Princetonplein 1
 3584 CC Utrecht
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Il giorno 10 apr 2017, alle ore 13:32, Walter, S. (Sylvia) <S.Walter@uu.nl> ha scritto:

Hi Alessandro,
paying via bank account should be an exception, we will not put this option on the website! This is to force people to use the online system! 
The same for the reduced fee. The link to this is only for selected participants!

The santu express login is to my understanding for people using the system more often (so their billing information will be automatically filled in), but I will check this. So via the SQM website you have three payment options: credit card, master/visa card and ideal.

Best
Sylvia









Am 10.04.2017 um 13:07 schrieb Grelli, A. (AG) <A.Grelli@uu.nl>:

Ciao Sylvia

sorry for this second mail but following your proposal and my answer, I checked in the SQM website. 

I did try to pay my fee and I ended up with only credit card or ideal options. There is another option, express with “santu" but no bank option. I remember we discussed few times about the need to have a bank transfer option for all the participants.

Is it this “santu” the bank transfer option?

In that case please note that “santu” comes a bit out of the blue since there is not manual or link to follow and it asks for an account

thanks and sorry to bother,
Alessandro


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 Dr. Alessandro Grelli
 Assistant Professor,
 Institute for Subatomic Physics
 Center for Extreme Matter and Emergent Phenomena
 Faculty of Science, Utrecht University

 Room:
 Ornstein Laboratorium OL 214
 Princetonplein 1
 3584 CC Utrecht
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Il giorno 10 apr 2017, alle ore 12:45, Grelli, A. (AG) <A.Grelli@uu.nl> ha scritto:

Ciao Sylvia

sure, I could do this but the SQM school partecipants are SQM partecipants (since the school is just part of the conference) so the option of paying by bank is already there.  They can use it and go with all the other partecipants (may be with the statement “reduced fee” written down in the transfer)

right?

As a general statement consider that a non negligible amount of persons will pay via bank account. This is due to the fact that in may countries (European too) paying by bank make easier to get reimbursed by the home institution (as example in Italy and France).

Alessandro


=========================================================
 Dr. Alessandro Grelli
 Assistant Professor,
 Institute for Subatomic Physics
 Center for Extreme Matter and Emergent Phenomena
 Faculty of Science, Utrecht University

 Room:
 Ornstein Laboratorium OL 214
 Princetonplein 1
 3584 CC Utrecht
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Il giorno 10 apr 2017, alle ore 12:03, Walter, S. (Sylvia) <S.Walter@uu.nl> ha scritto:

Hi Alessandro,
if they don´t have a credit card, it is indeed a bit more complicated ,). Thus, please make sure that you get the following information from them: 

- complete invoice adress, thus 
full name (first and last name)
full adress (privat or from their institute)
- purchase ordner number or reference number (they will get it from their financial administration)
- VAT number (they will get it from their financial administration)

Than you send these invoice information to me or directly to Marcel de Boer (in cc), Marcel will make the invoice and the participants can than make over the money.

Paying cash is not possible.

Sylvia







Am 10.04.2017 um 09:18 schrieb Grelli, A. (AG) <A.Grelli@uu.nl>:

Ciao Sylvia,

the point is that a large number of persons from poor countries do not have credit card.  

If we would like to avoid bank transfers do we have other suitable methods? 

Alessandro



=========================================================
 Dr. Alessandro Grelli
 Assistant Professor,
 Institute for Subatomic Physics
 Center for Extreme Matter and Emergent Phenomena
 Faculty of Science, Utrecht University

 Room:
 Ornstein Laboratorium OL 214
 Princetonplein 1
 3584 CC Utrecht
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Dr. Sylvia Walter
Research and Project Management
 
Faculty of Physics
Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research (IMAU)
Princetonplein 5, 3584 CC Utrecht, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 06 24 36 35 06
email: s.walter@uu.nl

Faculty of Social and Behavioural Sciences
Department Education and Pedagogics
Heidelberglaan 1, 3584 CS Utrecht, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 06 24 36 35 06
email: s.walter@uu.nl
website: https://www.project-watchme.eu/ 





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Dr. Sylvia Walter
Research and Project Management
 
Faculty of Physics
Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research (IMAU)
Princetonplein 5, 3584 CC Utrecht, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 06 24 36 35 06
email: s.walter@uu.nl

Faculty of Social and Behavioural Sciences
Department Education and Pedagogics
Heidelberglaan 1, 3584 CS Utrecht, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 06 24 36 35 06
email: s.walter@uu.nl
website: https://www.project-watchme.eu/